An independent report into the possible separation of Alberta presents multiple outcomes, but ultimately determines the cost to leave Canada could cost up to $170 billion.
The report by the University of Calgary’s School of Public Policy was commissioned by the Alberta government and released Wednesday.
It found Albertans would face high costs in the short term with uncertain benefits in the long run, and whether talks with Canada are “smooth” or “difficult” would impact that future.
“If you’re kind of a very optimistic person — you think everyone will go well — there’s a scenario where that happens,” said Tim Sargent with the University of Calgary School of Public Policy.
“But there’s also a very big risk that thing could not go well and Alberta could pay a very big price.”
Two hypothetical scenarios are given to provide Albertans a look into the costs that come with separation.
A “smooth” scenario would see a quick, comprehensive and favourable deal with Canada that gives an orderly transition of the province to become a separate country.
The “difficult” path would see Canada and other countries be hostile and could result in a deal taking a much longer time if one is reached at all.
“It all depends on a lot of events that are outside the control of Alberta,” Sargent said.
In either situation, the report said establishing a new country could range from $50 billion up to $170 billion in the first five years of separation, in addition to the impacts on economic growth and the province’s own fiscal position.
If Alberta experiences the “difficult” scenario though, the report paints a stark picture.
The GDP would see a loss within five years of 10.1 per cent, employment could drop by 10 per cent, a typical worker could earn almost $5,500 less than if the province had not separated, and the tax each person pays could increase up to $5,500 annually.
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After 20 years, the report suggests while unemployment would decline, many people would depart the workforce, leaving the unemployment rate at 4.7 per cent.
Annual wages for a typical worker could be almost $12,000 below what they could have been without separation and taxes per person would rise by $6,600. The province’s GDP would also fall by 16.2 per cent.
The government’s debt would hit $442.3 billion in this scenario, which includes its preexisting share of the federal debt plus the deficits that come with transition costs.
Under the “smooth” path, the report could see the province maintain access to major trade markets, expand its resource development, and provide government services more efficiently.
But it also finds Alberta’s gross domestic product (GDP) could be lower by about 2.2 per cent within five years, with employment 0.7 per cent lower than it currently is, take-home pay could see a dip of more than $1,200 annually and each taxpayer would pay about $800 more.
After about 20 years, the report estimated the GDP would increase by 3.4 per cent, employment would go up by 0.7 per cent and the taxes Albertans pay would decrease by $1,100. Take-home pay for workers could also rise by more than $1,800 annually compared to what they would have been.
Even with these apparent benefits, Alberta’s debt would soar to $324.1 billion.
Independence supporter Keith Wilson say the report is inaccurate, adding Alberta’s resources give it leverage in any discussions with other provinces and nations.
“The overall theme of the report is to make worst-case assumptions about workers, about the buildings the federal government has, about how negotiations would go,” Wilson said.
Jeffrey Rath, one of the driving forces behind the separatism movement, said supporters of independence are already improving conditions for Alberta to become its own nation.
“That’s why we were flying to the United States to meet with the U.S. State Department in Washington,” Rath said. “I’m still in contact with them on a regular basis.
“The simple fact is, the United States would welcome a robust trading relationship with Alberta.”
Those who worked on the report aren’t so sure.
“”Nobody can confidently say that they will know what will happen,” Sargent said.
An expert advisory panel was appointed to review the report and prepare an independent assessment.
“The panel concurs that separation results in short run economic costs for Alberta for uncertain net benefits in the longer run. However, we also stress that Canadians should be aware that Alberta’s separation will undoubtedly harm Canada as well,” said Jack Mintz, chair of the advisory panel.
Alberta assuming responsibility for federal programs, determining its monetary policy, building international trade relationships, and holding negotiations around Canadian debt were among the issues analyzed by the report.
According to the report, setting up a new country would also require “significant” transition costs, the purchase of office buildings, new IT systems and an added 70,000 public servants.
“The uncertainties do look significant, the risks look significant and the potential benefit is far from certain,” said Mount Royal University political scientist Lori Williams.
“Alberta is going to be worse-off for the short-term — however long that lasts — and more importantly, there’s no guarantee Alberta will be better off.”
Treasury Board President and Finance Minister Jason Nixon said in a statement following the release of the report that it gives “important considerations” for Albertans as they prepare to vote in the upcoming Oct. 19 referendum.
He also said the advisory panel’s own insights will help Albertans interpret the report.
“The panel’s assessment emphasizes that both the scenarios outlined in the report highlight how costly it would be for Alberta to separate from Canada in the short term and also highlight the substantial amount of uncertainty Alberta would face in the long term,” Nixon said.
Albertans are set to vote in the Oct. 19 referendum, in which one question asks voters whether Alberta should stay in Canada or hold a second binding referendum to quit Confederation.
—with files from The Canadian Press and Karen Bartko, Global News
Fear mongering sigh—-Cant wait to vote for separation, Alberta first & forever!
Well we sent 250 billion more then Ottawa then we recieved back in services in the last decade.Add another 30 billion per year after we dont have to send to Ottawa.We would be set up in no time.
I just talked to our government and they agreed to pay the 170 !!! Whatever it takes to get you guys to go home!! We might have to starve for a little while but anything is better than this!!!
What is the cost to stay?
Financially , socially and spiritually?
What is the cost to stay?
Financially, socially and spiritually?
Rob Wise, you think we Albertans are oppressed? I think you need a dictionary. You should change your fake name to Rob Dumbass, way more accurate.
A small price to pay for sanity!
Naturally, there are set up costs. Duh.. I noticed their was no mention of the income that Alberta brings in. Further, Alberta will not be paying into the debt Ottawa has rung up. We have been net financial contributors to Canada.
I wonder if the military set up costs included having a navy. Lol. The report looks like it’s primary base line is building the country from ‘scratch’. When in reality, alot of the systems will be simple expansion of already in place ones.
Granted, alot of details need to be worked out. But do not forget, this vote coming up is not about pulling the seperation trigger. It is just the start of seriously looking into it and starting discussions with the ‘clowns’ in the East. And this time they WILL pay attention. Unlike the casual patronizing we get now.
Alberta is NOT the center of the universe! You know who also thought that? Jim Jones and David Koresh . Idiots!
Fear mongering. Whatever the price is ..its worth it.
I see Americans are chiming in where they don’t belong.
Interesting math. All wrong though. Alberta has been the financial engine of Canada and has put in way more than it has taken out, if Alberta leaves, it’s gonna demand a cheque to do so. It certainly won’t be taking in any debt.
“The “difficult” path would see Canada and other countries be hostile”
I could see Canada becoming difficult but the majority of countries would support Alberta’s democratic vote and freedom from oppression just like countries supported Tiawain separation from China. If anything other countries would come to Alberta’s defense.
This is federalist ‘own goal’. With xfer payments exceeding 15B a year its clear the payback cycle on separation in roughly a decade. Then AB starts really outpacing the RoC in prosperity. But hey! After this week separation isn’t even necessary. AB can just quit Confederation and enter into a sovereignty association with Canada. Right? Carney has opened Pandora’s box. Quebec and AB can likely take full advantage
So less than half the amount eastern Canada would steal from us….. lets rock!
Cost of staying in alberta will cost us over a trillion before carney bankrupts canada. Besides, with Alberta gone, King Carney can rule what’s left with the 70% of the country blindly following him gleefully into their own destruction.
Maybe Quebec could pay back the money it stole from Alberta and everyone else these past 30+ years. That would make a dent in the total, at least. That begs the next question: where would Quebec get future transfer payments from? Bilingualism and language policing is expensive.
Coc suker carney if screwing up DAILZAYsx-
This is an anti-Alberta propaganda.
The biggest risk is staying in a dumpster fire of a country
The saying blind leading the blind comes to mind.
To all you dumbazz cunadians lib maggots jizzwiz drinking scumbags, eatshat and OD
Carney says “Join the EU and be poor”.
Elbows Up Canadians say yes Mr. Clowney
Hilarious
best, the village idiot, same line every day, more like biggest idiot in universe, you like that title
So it could be $20.00 as well? Up to means nothing; learn to do better news.
What will be the cost fror Mark Clowney to join the EU?
Anonymous the village idiot….now giving economic advise…good grief…..
From 2007 to 2024 (a 17-year period), Albertans made a net contribution of $285.1 billion to federal finances.Projected forward from 2007/08 to 2026/27 (a 20-year window), Alberta’s cumulative net contribution reaches $321.9 billion.Looking at individual peak decades (such as 2000–2019), the net cash outflow reached $324 billion. Alberta’s net contribution over the last two decades is roughly four times greater than British Columbia’s ($87.8 billion) and five times greater than Ontario’s ($59.6 billion). Says it all…who will be the biggest loser – EASTERN CANADA.
How would this cost alberta when canada would IMMEDIATELY be required by canadian law to pay out the entirety of Alberta’s portion of cpp to the tune of several hundred billion dollars?
Not required to pay canada a cent.
Not sure where you get your fear mongering stats from.
Then its more of a reason to vote for separation ,170billion a one time cost to set Alberta for a great future , no more free unlimited money hand outs to every other country, Alberta then can focus on helping Albertans not Habib and Mahammad
Any true Canadian does not support the crazy Ya-Hoo, Redneck, ballcap backwards, truck driving morons.
And staying with Canada, that wants to join the socialist EU is a better option? Really
What is the cost to Alberta to stay? Please provide that information.
Bc resadent is “that turd “
@ GARY…yes…Alberta is a toilet bowl of turds!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. NFL
Curious george is sure Curious. Aboriginal land would stay as such. But your chief and councils obviously got bribes . So they never asked did they ? Maybe ask them
opps me bad !! sorry Gary i agree with you!! i mean that for elbows up
HEY GARY !!!..>>>go fist your grandmother’s azz you elbows up
canada is a toilet bowl full of turds, ALBERTA NOW!
@george. 25 square inches is aboriginal land, I just shat there
tomorrow’s head lines from Global news ” POLES SUGGEST ONLY 1% OF ALBERTANS SUPPORT SEPARATION!!!!
its funny CAN COST” UP TO” …lol omg!!!! STOP THE NASTY ALBERTANS OMG ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!! <—as Carney just gave away billions to Zelensky to funny!!!
170 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to endless transfer payments they suck out of Alberta .i suggest SEPERATION is what Alberta needs. and the liberal government will no longer exist
that vote for separation is coming up ,better amp up the fear global news better kiss some liberal azz! plant some uncertainty in the minds of Albertans , but if carney can give away 27 billion dollars and a 100 year contract for Ukraine and all the money they give to immigrants this 170 billion is NOTHING compared to all the resources they will suck out of Alberta
How much of Alberta is ABORIGINAL LAND ? And would they stay with Alberta.
MORE FEAR MONGERING FROM THE ELBOWS UP FOLKS
Look at the transfer payments during that period. I think all of the Forever Canadians don’t even realize that Carney is selling Canada to the EU. Carney is using the CPP to make his friends richer, however no noise from the Elbows Up crowd….
What is the new poll sitting at? 30% of Albertans support separation? Too funny 🤣🤣🤣
When will all those insane separatists move to the US? We can’t wait to get rid of them . Stop interfering with our lives. Go south and stay there.
And was is the cost to staying in Canada? There is a price regardless of the path. We might not want to be a part of the EU. What is the cost for that also.
“The growing brand of rage-farming ‘conservative’ who supports separation and pushes conspiracy theories and fake narratives is UNELECTABLE anywhere,” – Michael Solberg
I think he’s talking about the howler monkeys in here. Anger is not a substitute for intelligence.
No to the nine.
Remain.
This government should spend money in infrastructure and growth of our province instead of putting effort in nonsense ideas. In any case Albertans can move to the next door province (BC) and invest our savings there.
Their GDP is over 350 billion dollars it’d cost less to leave and take on that debt then stay
BC resident, stick to eating dad’s, mom’s, grandpa,grandma, uncle’s, aunt’s, neighborhood dogs azz out, it’s what you do best
This is all bullsh—. Get rid of our Premier
BC resident, you are a fugging welfare province you inbred POS
If the Albertans aren’t hand fed with welfare mega projects they can’t survive on their own. Bangladesh could take you over if you were to separate. Your never leaving your parents basement anyhow so unfortunately we’re stick with you and your dillusional nonsense.
Pat a, did you do a hit LSD?
Assuming Alberta separates and becomes a separate country, consider these realities; Alberta could establish fees to cross their border as a way of generating revenue, separation could result in that moron Trump deciding that Alberta could become a desirable fossil fuel target and claim it requires the Alberta country to be either the 51st State or require that the Albertans allow troops to be established to protect the fossil fuel interests. The final and very distressing thought that the US might decide that Alberta must be invaded!
Any of these things read as being impossible but sometimes sh.t happens and the country of Alberta would then call on the rest of Canada to help it out
LETS stay !!! Yay Canada
What a SH1t Whole Canada is, look at Carney destroying Canada. Why would Alberta think twice about staying, China on the door step. Terrorist living in Canada.
Alberta will prosper after leaving Canada. Look at life now, Carney can’t stop traveling to EU to report his progress into destroying Canada.
Hahaha, let’s check whether Donald DUMP would take the bill if it wishes to have Alberta to separate from Canada and to stick closer to the US.
Bob b, stick to what you do best, eating your dad’s anus out
I don’t care for Danielle Smith but think it’s pathetic to bash all Albertans. Stick it to the separatists and the Poilievre conservatives but don’t paint Albertans with the same brush.
@Mr truth You have some nerve calling people from Alberta morons when all the morons are in Ontario, Quebec and eastern Canada. You liberal bleeding hearts should give your heads a good shake!
What a bunch of inbred idiots LOL. Stealing Alberta from Canada will cost you $170 Billion that you don’t have. Maybe Canada can give you a loan 🤣🤣🤣
Mr truth, also known as full of shat
Do not these morons from Alberta who want to separate realize that their good life will disappear and they will have new expenses and obligations that will arise. They are not thinking!
bwana, stick to what you do best, eating your mom’s azz out
Alberta’s economy will skyrocket after separation! Doomsayers on their keyboard, so facking funny 😂
Liberal media fear-mongering at it’s finest. Considering Alberta would save roughly $200B in the first 5 years by not sending this cash to Ottawa, sovereignty seems doable.
Almost the ‘cost’ to stay.
Doesn’t matter. Liberals and NDP voters love separatism, just as the Khalistanis!
The problem with this report is most people in favor of separating can’t read beyond a grade three level… OR have any understanding of finance or simple math!