Jully Black and Sandy Hudson discuss “Defund” and the fight for racial justice

Jully Black and Sandy Hudson, leader of Canada’s Black Lives Matter movement, discuss the meaning of “defunding the police” in the context of Sandy’s book Defund: Black Lives, Policing, and Safety for All. They address the controversy around the term, the challenges of policing, and the ongoing fight against anti-Black racism, five years after George Floyd’s death.