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Donald Trump impeachment hearings: Takeaways from the 1st round of public testimonies

ABOVE: First public hearings in Trump impeachment inquiry begin – Nov 13, 2019

The first public hearings in the impeachment inquiry of U.S. President Donald Trump took place Wednesday, with witnesses offering new insight about where the president’s priorities might lay.

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The investigation revolves around a July 25 phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in which Trump asked for a “favour” from him — investigate his Democratic political rival, former Vice-President Joe Biden, and his family for dealings in Ukraine.

Prior to Wednesday, testimonies from Democrat-requested witnesses have taken place behind closed doors.

William Taylor, a top diplomat in Ukraine, and George Kent, a senior U.S. State Department Official, were the first to go public. The seasoned diplomats sat side-by-side before the House Intelligence Committee and reiterated their private testimonies to the American public. They also divulged new details.

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Here’s a look at a few stand-out moments from the hours-long hearing:

Trump asked about ‘the investigations’

In a surprise revelation, Taylor told the committee he recently learned a member of his staff overheard Trump asking about “the investigations” one day after the July 25 call in question.

Taylor said some of his staff were at a restaurant with Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, when Sondland took a call with the president. Taylor’s staff said they could hear Trump asking him about “the investigations,” which Taylor interpreted as those into the Bidens and the Burisma Group, the Ukrainian firm linked to Hunter Biden.

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Sondland told Trump that Ukraine was ready to move forward, Taylor said.

After the call, when asked by Taylor’s staffers what Trump thought about Ukraine, Sondland reportedly told the aide the president “cares more about the investigations of Biden” than U.S. policy on Ukraine.

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“Which Giuliani was pressing for,” Taylor said.

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He said he only learned about the call last Friday and wasn’t aware of it during his closed-door deposition.

The staffer who overheard the conversation is reportedly David Holmes, a political officer in the U.S. embassy in Ukraine, according to CNN and CBS News. Holmes is due for a private deposition on Friday.

“Crazy” text explained

In a Sept. 9 text to Sondland, Taylor said withholding aid to Ukraine was “crazy.”

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The text messages were among the first pieces of evidence to become public in the House impeachment inquiry and helped inform the possibility of a quid pro quo.

“To withhold that assistance for no good reason other than help with a political campaign made no sense,” Taylor told the committee when asked to explain the texts.

Taylor emphasized the security [aid] was “so important for Ukraine… as well as our own national interests.” He said, “it made no sense.”
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“It was counterproductive to all of what we had been trying to do,” he said.

“It was illogical, could not be explained. It was crazy.”

Whistleblower tensions

The historic impeachment hearing opened with an early clash between House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff and Republican Rep. Mike Conaway.

Conaway asked Schiff to subpoena the whistleblower, whose complaint helped launch the investigation into Trump. Conaway said the whistleblower should be forced to appear behind closed doors.

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A number of Republicans have urged the outing of the whistleblower.

Schiff said he would do everything necessary to protect the whistleblower’s identity and that he would “not permit the outing of the whistleblower” during the hearing. However, he said he would consider Conaway’s request only after the two diplomats concluded their public testimony.

Later, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan claimed House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff had knowledge of the whistleblower’s identity.

Schiff denied the allegation.

Republicans’ focus slides away from witness testimony to witnesses themselves

Republican questions at the committee hearing dismissed the testimony, with one saying it was “hearsay.”

Rep. Mike Turner — known to be a moderate Republican — slammed the two “star” witness saying their testimonies wouldn’t be allowed in a court of law.

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Others took their five minutes of questions to speak not about the call itself, but about the identity of the person who first brought up the Ukraine call as suspect.

Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio said the whistleblower, a CIA officer assigned to the White House whose complaint started the inquiry, should come before the committee.

Jordan earlier complained that the witnesses Wednesday testifying publicly for the first time didn’t have firsthand knowledge of the accusations and never spoke directly Trump.

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Jordan suggested the Taylor’s understanding was basically a bad game of telephone.

“We’ve got six people having four conversations in one sentence, and this is where you told me you got your clear understanding,” Jordan said.

And Trump?

Normally fairly engaged in the impeachment saga concerning his presidency, Trump brushed off the first round of public hearings.

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He told reporters at the White House that he would not watch the proceedings, saying he’s “too busy.” Trump hosted Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday afternoon amid lingering tensions in the relationship.

“It’s a witch hunt, it’s a hoax,” he said ahead of their meeting.

“I’m too busy to watch it. I have not been briefed.”

He went on to take a dig at lawmakers in charge of questioning the witnesses: “They’re using lawyers that are television lawyers.”

Aside from a few tweets Wednesday morning — including “NEVER TRUMPERS!” and “READ THE TRANSCRIPT!” — Trump laid off the social media storm during the hearing.

He did, however, appear in a video on the White House Twitter account where he described the hearing as the “single greatest scam in American politics.”

— With files from the Associated Press 

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